lync is lock in. their handsets totally their platforms running the
backend. they only have certified gateways because they play so much less
well than others. We used to have a saying here, noone ever got fired for
buying microsoft. normally they just get their head axed for making really
talking to.
in the 2013 version more will change in their sip stack. always making it
harder to integrate.
Post by Geoff Van BruntYou can integrate Lync via gateways with PBX's etc. They do have a
certification program. It would be good if SipX could have this, and that
is what I'm going to attempt via our Audiocodes Mediant 1000. I did have
this working (without presence) a few years ago when I last played with it.
I also have some MP-1xx devices and a Patton SmartNode I can play with.
You can use voice with Lync in the cloud. There are vendors that give you
a PSTN connection via a sip trunk etc. If you want to connect with on
premese pbx, then you do need an on site Lync Server. We have that with the
plan we are on. Also Lync 2013 will be out in October, but so far there are
very few details about is new. I'm hoping the integration options are
better.
Lync now has iOS (both pad, and phone versions), Android etc clients. It
has come along way in the last year. I believe MS realises that it needs to
take a different road than Apple to keep clients. Lock in is not the way to
go.
Geoff Van Brunt
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:28 AM
To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
Subject: Re: [sipx-users] FW: MS Lync and Exchange 2010
It is very clear to how microsoft markets Lync their aim is the same, for
the enterprise and as the pbx via their other products.
You can already qwasi integrate with other IM services via federation
(meaning I can send an IM to my "alternate" IM account at my domain which
is hosted elsewhere. I can do this because my sipx domain is its own
subdomain. What has happened "yesterday' is that Google announce a cloud
partner program (its vague now). In an Open Source world one would want to
see if there was a way to have the Google IM presence obtain its status
from another federated or linked account, via the cloud.
Realize Lync is just IM and presence for most folks BUT it also has a
built in softphone. It has to be running on premise to leverage voice.
There is also a "phone edition" which means you have to use a MS approved
ip phone. It has attendants and voice mail integration. So yes, it is a
competing product. With their mobile client they have Symbian, Windows,
Symbian, Blackberry apps. Notice what is missing? The almost #1 mobile
phone?
Realize also there are different O365 versions and they do not all have
the same features. I do see some but not all integration as being feasible.
There would have to be support in the guise of a web service (like REST) to
be able to communicate this back and forth, and securely for IM status, but
it would be cool.
http://cloud.google.com/partners/
Whether or not the proper functionality is available yet, I do not know. I
suspect it is not. It is almost a beginning though.
Couldn't agree more Tony. The cloud is the future, and SipX needs to
support these services to keep relevant. Unified Communicaitons really
means all your communications software/hardware working together. However
it has only been that way if you use all MS\Cisco\etc pieces. If SipX were
to bridge this, it would be the sole player able to do this making it very
desirable. That would attract a lot of new business.
There was some mention earlier that Lync was "competing technology". I
don't really agree with that. The great thing about SipX was that you can
use whatever hardware and software agents you want. You are not "locked in"
to something. It would be great if that was carried over to services as
well.
Geoff Van Brunt
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:19 PM
To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
Subject: Re: [sipx-users] FW: MS Lync and Exchange 2010
Certificates are perhaps a little more flexible in 4.6, but I know there
were workarounds in 4.4 for people who wanted to use a cert from the AD
server. I would have followed those threads. However, I do think one of the
forward looking things to do with sipx would be to integrate to other cloud
based platforms (whether it be O365, GoogleApps, Zimbra, etc.). Zimbra
would perhaps be easiest, but it is also perhaps the least attractive in
terms of its architecture (hp OM), becuase of storage and backup and
"regular old maintenance routines). Google is least expensive and simpler
for users, but there are limitations in the guise of "what" Google will
allow you to do with their message stores, etc. I see it compelling to fix
the address book portal to bring in the users google contacts and harness
it for click to call, as simpler, cleaner, and less for the system (sipx)
to store or sync, it can be pulled in live. If gtalk can be harnessed to
mirror your sipx IM state, that goes a long way too. It would also be cool
to see if there was a way to use a vmail destination as a google voice
account for users. If these things can be done in O365 then super dee duper.
I've seen where sipx came from "way back when", where it is now, and where
it is going. The cloud is not the limit, its just the next layer.
That is pretty much what I gathered. I'm a lurker on this list for quite a few years.
It's going to take a couple of months for Office 365 to be put in place,
so I'll explore this more when everything is ready to go. At the very least
call forking so the desktop and Lync client ring at the same time should be
possible. This would also make it work on mobile devices.
I'll start a new thread on the dev list when I have the resources in place.
Geoff Van Brunt
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:11 PM
To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
Subject: Re: [sipx-users] FW: MS Lync and Exchange 2010
fyi - this has pretty much been discussed before, on-list and such a few times as I recall.
Realize at the same time these are two "competing" products.
How MS handles both their sip stack (which is tcp only I think) and how
they handle authentication has changed several times (various ways in
various SP levels of the "same" product). The better way to ensure
interoperability would be to place a commercial SBC (which is known to work
with Lync too) in bewteen. At least, I think that is the shortcut answer to
get to the nirvana you might seek.
Neither O365 nor Lync are exactly "open". Though I do understand why
someone would want to do what you are attempting.
Until someone has a working Lync server to test with against sipx AND
provides details which will help either the devs or users craft a way to
make them work (or determine it is still impractical), I'm not sure what
can be accomplished.
If there are issues with the certificate, it should be discussed. I think
the users list is a great place to start that discussion and would look
forward to it taking place.
Hey Geoff,
I have an O365 E3 account I've tried to setup UM against.
Haven't really looked at the Lync but I assume if you have
the telephony on Sipx, you might be able to dispense with
Lync on premises and keep it all in the cloud. As for the
UM, I'm trying with 4.6 and have been unable to negotiate a
TLS session (require for Exchange online). The client cert
is requested from the Sipx but isn't being properly provided
in the handshake. I suppose an issue needs to be created
for it. In any event, I'd be happy to email or talk
off-list and pass on what I've learned (including some fun
with Microsoft TAC). My email should be publicly visible.
John Lightfoot
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