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good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.
Michael Scheidell
2012-07-29 15:44:31 UTC
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I updated from 4.2.0 -> 4.2.1, -> 4.4.0 and set a fax did.
works great.

I was surprised that it came in as a pdf, I thought it was tiff by
default (I prefer pdf)
I watched the packet traffic, and it was T.38

all good work.

backups and restores seem to work fine if you do it right (remember if
you had dns yes/no, and if you had dhcp/yes/no).
Even works if you mount a usb thumb drive and do the restore from that.

I don't have all that much time to work on our live system, especially
when there is so much to regress test.

Note: I think sipx 4.4.0 totally broke the cisco 7960 phones.
You put any external call on hold (G.711, moh active), external caller
hears moh, but when you pick him back up, the call drops
(and of course, call transfers from a cisco to a polycom don't work, I
don't think they ever did. we trained people to use blind transfer)

packet trace shows nothing all that much interesting, but if someone has
a 'gotcha' on the upgrade, that can be fixed, let me know.
Also, I can only test this, weekends, every other week, since we are a
24/7 shop, international calls come in at all hours of the day and night.

some noted on upgrade:
backed up a 4.2.0 system, booted the 4.2.0 iso, restored, yum upgrade to
4.2.1
backed up the upgraded 4.2.1, booted 4.2.1 iso, restored, yum upgrade to
4.4.0
backed up the upgraded 4.4.0, booted 4.4.0 iso, restored backup.

(I also tried the 'port 5060 for sipx trunks and calls', and if I
remember, that doesn't work yet, so I keep my PAT on my firewall)

I would really like to keep 4.4.0, for a couple of reasons, one being
the faxes, second being that if we need to purchase commercial support,
we can get it on the current version.

I have been VERY busy lately, (http://www.secnap.tv), and haven't any
time to work on regression testing, and need everything to work 'normal'
before I leave.
So, if I have to revert to 4.2.1, today, than I have to. If I have time
in two weeks, I will try again.

Any words of wisdom?
(ITSP is Level3, sending on udp port 5060, I PAT to 5080 via firewall,
ip address authentication, no registration), and ps, they support T.38
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2012-07-29 18:22:05 UTC
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Additionally, a cisco phone can't make transfers anymore,
prior, it could make normal or blind to cisco. or blind to poly.
Now it can't make any transfers.
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Todd Hodgen
2012-07-29 18:26:42 UTC
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May have missed this detail in your earlier email - did you perform a Yum
update on the last ISO install? There are about 17 patch released to 4.4
that are not included in the ISO.



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prior, it could make normal or blind to cisco. or blind to poly.
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2012-07-29 18:27:20 UTC
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yes.
May have missed this detail in your earlier email -- did you perform a
Yum update on the last ISO install? There are about 17 patch
released to 4.4 that are not included in the ISO.
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Michael Picher
2012-07-29 21:31:41 UTC
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A little late to the game eh?

4.6 is just getting ready to head out the gates... :-)

We've been doing quite a bit of work on the Cisco phones but they are
horribly broken for SIP compatibility. So, we're doing some workarounds.
Chances are though we'll focus effort on 4.6 and not 4.4.

Thanks,
Mike

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Michael Scheidell
2012-07-29 21:37:56 UTC
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A little late to the game eh?
needed to do my 'day job' <http://www.secnap.tv>
Post by Michael Picher
4.6 is just getting ready to head out the gates... :-)
definition of an upgrade: 'take old bugs out, put new bugs in'
Post by Michael Picher
We've been doing quite a bit of work on the Cisco phones but they are
horribly broken for SIP compatibility. So, we're doing some
workarounds. Chances are though we'll focus effort on 4.6 and not 4.4.
4.4: polycom 650's, with 313Csplit, 301's with 3.18(legacy)
Seems to work fine now.
external faxing works.
but, I can't fax from my TA (linx pap2, G.711, 14.4Kb), to my T.38 fax
line (gets a blank tiff), But, you can fax my fax DID just fine.

4.6 will be important only if you get the port 5060 stuff working
(trunking on port 5060, sip://***@secnap.com:5080 working)
It is very important for toll fraud, very important.
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Tony Graziano
2012-07-29 21:45:35 UTC
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use an ata that does t.38 instead of g711 and that problem will fix itself.

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Post by Michael Picher
A little late to the game eh?
needed to do my 'day job' <http://www.secnap.tv> <http://www.secnap.tv>
4.6 is just getting ready to head out the gates... :-)
definition of an upgrade: 'take old bugs out, put new bugs in'
We've been doing quite a bit of work on the Cisco phones but they are
horribly broken for SIP compatibility. So, we're doing some workarounds.
Chances are though we'll focus effort on 4.6 and not 4.4.
4.4: polycom 650's, with 313Csplit, 301's with 3.18(legacy)
Seems to work fine now.
external faxing works.
but, I can't fax from my TA (linx pap2, G.711, 14.4Kb), to my T.38 fax
line (gets a blank tiff), But, you can fax my fax DID just fine.
4.6 will be important only if you get the port 5060 stuff working
It is very important for toll fraud, very important.
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Michael Scheidell
2012-07-30 11:19:39 UTC
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use an ata that does t.38 instead of g711 and that problem will fix itself.
who has a good two port t.38 TA?
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use an ata that does t.38 instead of g711 and that problem will fix itself.
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Michael Scheidell
2012-07-29 21:38:41 UTC
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anyone want to bid on 25 lbs of cisco phone parts? (7960's, some power
supplies, something like 15 phones left)
Post by Michael Picher
We've been doing quite a bit of work on the Cisco phones but they are
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Joegen Baclor
2012-07-30 09:04:58 UTC
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Michael,

Try the latest RPM from the repo and set the these values in the proxy
config

SIPX_TRAN_HOOK_LIBRARY.100_sipheadercheck :
/usr/lib64/transactionplugins/libSipHeaderCheck.so
SIPX_TRAN.100_sipheadercheck.REMOVE_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE : true
SIPX_TRAN.100_sipheadercheck.REMOVE_REMOTE_PARTY_ID : true
SIPX_TRAN.100_sipheadercheck.INSERT_RECORD_ROUTE_AFTER_SPIRAL : true
SIPX_TRAN.100_sipheadercheck.INSERT_PATH_ON_REGISTER : true
SIPX_TRAN.100_sipheadercheck.INSERT_PATH_ON_REGISTER_UA_REGEX :
^(CSCO|Cisco)

This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Post by Michael Scheidell
Additionally, a cisco phone can't make transfers anymore,
prior, it could make normal or blind to cisco. or blind to poly.
Now it can't make any transfers.
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2012-07-30 11:11:24 UTC
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This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds.
If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing someone
in, they get lost.

(or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really needs to edit the wiki
and remove the cisco 79** support from that. they will NEVER work
remote, NEVER, and there is too many strange things wrong with them to
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2012-07-30 11:31:36 UTC
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or better yet, just document what works and what doesn't... not much
different than some other SIP phones... not everybody follows standards.

Mike

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Post by Joegen Baclor
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This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds.
If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing someone
in, they get lost.
(or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really needs to edit the wiki
and remove the cisco 79** support from that. they will NEVER work remote,
NEVER, and there is too many strange things wrong with them to pretend you
support them)
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Joegen Baclor
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I am only aware of blind transfer and ha support for cisco getting fixed
by these params. Josh has better insight on this. Lets see if he
chimes in.
Post by Michael Scheidell
Post by Joegen Baclor
This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds.
If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing
someone in, they get lost.
(or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really needs to edit the
wiki and remove the cisco 79** support from that. they will NEVER
work remote, NEVER, and there is too many strange things wrong with
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well, hold is essentially a transfer...
Post by Joegen Baclor
I am only aware of blind transfer and ha support for cisco getting fixed
by these params. Josh has better insight on this. Lets see if he chimes
in.
This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds.
If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing someone
in, they get lost.
(or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really needs to edit the wiki
and remove the cisco 79** support from that. they will NEVER work remote,
NEVER, and there is too many strange things wrong with them to pretend you
support them)
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Subject: Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

use an ata that does t.38 instead of g711 and that problem will fix itself.

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On 7/29/12 5:31 PM, Michael Picher wrote:
A little late to the game eh?


needed to do my 'day job' <http://www.secnap.tv><http://www.secnap.tv>



4.6 is just getting ready to head out the gates... :-)

definition of an upgrade: 'take old bugs out, put new bugs in'

We've been doing quite a bit of work on the Cisco phones but they are horribly broken for SIP compatibility. So, we're doing some workarounds. Chances are though we'll focus effort on 4.6 and not 4.4.

4.4: polycom 650's, with 313Csplit, 301's with 3.18(legacy)
Seems to work fine now.
external faxing works.
but, I can't fax from my TA (linx pap2, G.711, 14.4Kb), to my T.38 fax line (gets a blank tiff), But, you can fax my fax DID just fine.

4.6 will be important only if you get the port 5060 stuff working (trunking on port 5060, sip://***@secnap.com:5080 working)
It is very important for toll fraud, very important.
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Kurt Albershardt
2012-07-30 16:01:42 UTC
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They did just that at CT Expo for awhile...
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Michael Scheidell
2012-07-30 11:47:33 UTC
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Remotes wont work, hold doesn't work, transfers don't work, blind transfers don't work, conference calls don't work. Mwi doesn't work right . I have not tested the web interface lately but you can't put enough characters in a couple of the fields, and 1 of the other fields, the domain field won't let you put a name back in. Most of this is been documented for about 3 years on the jira.

Standard transfers were broken in 4.2.0
When trying to transfer to a polycom. You were forced to use blind transfers. I believe this is documented in a jira.

But the only thing you can do is make and receive phone calls. In the same office as the sipx server.

I pretty much say that qualifies as needing to remove support for the 7960 series phones on the wiki.

Polycom 450's are only about 170 dollars each u s. 3 lines and lots of nice buttons.

Each manday trying to fix the cisco phones could buy you 10 polycoms. Only to have something different happened to cisco phones next upgrade.
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or better yet, just document what works and what doesn't... not much different than some other SIP phones... not everybody follows standards.

Mike

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On 7/30/12 5:04 AM, Joegen Baclor wrote:

This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds.
If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing someone in, they get lost.

(or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really needs to edit the wiki and remove the cisco 79** support from that. they will NEVER work remote, NEVER, and there is too many strange things wrong with them to pretend you support them)
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Michael Picher
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lots of this is being worked on... the difference is there's now a
commercial reason to work on it.

cisco phones as remotes probably will never work though.

yes, polycom's make life easier. but we've been saying that for many years
too...

mike

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Michael Scheidell <
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Remotes wont work, hold doesn't work, transfers don't work, blind
transfers don't work, conference calls don't work. Mwi doesn't work right .
I have not tested the web interface lately but you can't put enough
characters in a couple of the fields, and 1 of the other fields, the domain
field won't let you put a name back in. Most of this is been documented for
about 3 years on the jira.
Standard transfers were broken in 4.2.0
When trying to transfer to a polycom. You were forced to use blind
transfers. I believe this is documented in a jira.
But the only thing you can do is make and receive phone calls. In the same
office as the sipx server.
I pretty much say that qualifies as needing to remove support for the 7960
series phones on the wiki.
Polycom 450's are only about 170 dollars each u s. 3 lines and lots of nice buttons.
Each manday trying to fix the cisco phones could buy you 10 polycoms.
Only to have something different happened to cisco phones next upgrade.
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Subject: Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.
or better yet, just document what works and what doesn't... not much
different than some other SIP phones... not everybody follows standards.
Mike
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Michael Scheidell <
This should give you back cisco blind transfers.
Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds.
If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing someone in, they get lost.
(or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really needs to edit the wiki
and remove the cisco 79** support from that. they will NEVER work remote,
NEVER, and there is too many strange things wrong with them to pretend you
support them)
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Michael Scheidell
2012-07-30 11:56:19 UTC
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lots of this is being worked on... the difference is there's now a
commercial reason to work on it.
other thing to think about: FORCE the users to use ONE firmware
version. Cisco changed how they do things in each firmware version, and
what works for one person won't work for the other, due to firmware
versions.
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