4.6.0 Statistics Page

[Robert Schroeder]

I noticed in the 4.6.0 release that there seems to no longer be a statistics page. Is that by new design or is the feature just not available in the current beta builds?

Testing of 4.6.0 is going well for me. Thanks everyone for your hard work on this release. It is appreciated very much.

Thanks,





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[Tony Graziano]

I think MRTG is a casualty. I'm not sure if it is being put back in or not.
With the "network queue" there are perhaps better and more consistent
methods to pull out statistics if I recall properly, but it has not been
discussed yet..

The current MRTG does not really provide enough useful information to be of
that much help (IMO), since it averages averages over time and dilutes the
data (kind of the problem with MRTG overall).

The majority of systems I have seen really provide a static look at
information that doesn't seem to change much. What would be helpful is
(IMO) registrations per hour, call per gateway, etc. and NOT in MRTG
fashion in that it dilutes the numbers over time.

This might be a good time to discuss it, and include the dev list too for
up to the minute updates on the mrtg inclusion (or not).

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Robert Schroeder <

Post by Robert Schroeder
I noticed in the 4.6.0 release that there seems to no longer be a
statistics page. Is that by new design or is the feature just not available
in the current beta builds?****
** **
Testing of 4.6.0 is going well for me. Thanks everyone for your hard work
on this release. It is appreciated very much.****
** **
Thanks,****
** **
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[Douglas Hubler]

Tony is correct MRTG integration is gone. MRTG was driven from SNMP data
and all that data is still available on the systems so you could integrate
the MRTG stats back again. Going forward it's - BYOMS - Bring Your Own
Monitoring System. I accept responsibility for this regression in
functionality, it was not driven by any other business goals. The amount
of effort it would have taken to unravel the code against the value the
charts provided, it didn't make sense. In addition, there are tons of
packages that do this better, any they may even use MRTG.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Tony Graziano <

Post by Tony Graziano
I think MRTG is a casualty. I'm not sure if it is being put back in or
not. With the "network queue" there are perhaps better and more consistent
methods to pull out statistics if I recall properly, but it has not been
discussed yet..
The current MRTG does not really provide enough useful information to be
of that much help (IMO), since it averages averages over time and dilutes
the data (kind of the problem with MRTG overall).
The majority of systems I have seen really provide a static look at
information that doesn't seem to change much. What would be helpful is
(IMO) registrations per hour, call per gateway, etc. and NOT in MRTG
fashion in that it dilutes the numbers over time.
This might be a good time to discuss it, and include the dev list too for
up to the minute updates on the mrtg inclusion (or not).
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Robert Schroeder <

Post by Robert Schroeder
I noticed in the 4.6.0 release that there seems to no longer be a
statistics page. Is that by new design or is the feature just not available
in the current beta builds?****
** **
Testing of 4.6.0 is going well for me. Thanks everyone for your hard work
on this release. It is appreciated very much.****
** **
Thanks,****
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[Tony Graziano]

My last two cents on MRTG. It's nice, easy to look at, but the historical
data is IMO pretty worthless. There are a lot of monitoring systems out
there which allow you to put an agent on a linux or windows (etc.) system
and collect the stats leaving the prequisites and load on sipx lighter than
trying to do it all in one.

http://sixrevisions.com/tools/10-free-server-network-monitoring-tools-that-kick-ass/

Several of these can be centralized (zabbix and zenoss as I recall, seem to
be the easier to setup and get running, having played with both) and agents
can be put on various systems, and can monitor devices (switches, routers,
etc.).

As sipx really becomes part of the network infrastructure, it makes sense
to me to move it under a platform like one of those above, which is really
an administrative choice.

Though it would be nice to see some way to collect proxy and registrar
stats either from snmp for inclusion at some point or as a separate
mechanism, since as a proxy and registrar THOSE stats are actually more
meaningful to an admin than disk and cpu since that is normally
unremarkable on this platform.

Post by Douglas Hubler
Tony is correct MRTG integration is gone. MRTG was driven from SNMP data
and all that data is still available on the systems so you could integrate
the MRTG stats back again. Going forward it's - BYOMS - Bring Your Own
Monitoring System. I accept responsibility for this regression in
functionality, it was not driven by any other business goals. The amount
of effort it would have taken to unravel the code against the value the
charts provided, it didn't make sense. In addition, there are tons of
packages that do this better, any they may even use MRTG.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Tony Graziano <

Post by Tony Graziano
I think MRTG is a casualty. I'm not sure if it is being put back in or
not. With the "network queue" there are perhaps better and more consistent
methods to pull out statistics if I recall properly, but it has not been
discussed yet..
The current MRTG does not really provide enough useful information to be
of that much help (IMO), since it averages averages over time and dilutes
the data (kind of the problem with MRTG overall).
The majority of systems I have seen really provide a static look at
information that doesn't seem to change much. What would be helpful is
(IMO) registrations per hour, call per gateway, etc. and NOT in MRTG
fashion in that it dilutes the numbers over time.
This might be a good time to discuss it, and include the dev list too for
up to the minute updates on the mrtg inclusion (or not).
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Robert Schroeder <

Post by Robert Schroeder
I noticed in the 4.6.0 release that there seems to no longer be a
statistics page. Is that by new design or is the feature just not available
in the current beta builds?****
** **
Testing of 4.6.0 is going well for me. Thanks everyone for your hard
work on this release. It is appreciated very much.****
** **
Thanks,****
** **
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This is the direction we're headed... being able to get system (sipxecs /
openuc) related stats for better monitoring.

We're doing this so that users with any monitoring solution can monitor
sipxecs/openuc in the same manner as all their other equipment.

As part of the openUC commercial solution we'll have our 'Assurance
Services' that will be automagically configured by sipXconfig and provide
monitoring capabilities. On the open source side it will be left open for
folks to 'roll their own'.

Mike

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Tony Graziano <

Post by Tony Graziano
My last two cents on MRTG. It's nice, easy to look at, but the historical
data is IMO pretty worthless. There are a lot of monitoring systems out
there which allow you to put an agent on a linux or windows (etc.) system
and collect the stats leaving the prequisites and load on sipx lighter than
trying to do it all in one.
http://sixrevisions.com/tools/10-free-server-network-monitoring-tools-that-kick-ass/
Several of these can be centralized (zabbix and zenoss as I recall, seem
to be the easier to setup and get running, having played with both) and
agents can be put on various systems, and can monitor devices (switches,
routers, etc.).
As sipx really becomes part of the network infrastructure, it makes sense
to me to move it under a platform like one of those above, which is really
an administrative choice.
Though it would be nice to see some way to collect proxy and registrar
stats either from snmp for inclusion at some point or as a separate
mechanism, since as a proxy and registrar THOSE stats are actually more
meaningful to an admin than disk and cpu since that is normally
unremarkable on this platform.

Post by Douglas Hubler
Tony is correct MRTG integration is gone. MRTG was driven from SNMP data
and all that data is still available on the systems so you could integrate
the MRTG stats back again. Going forward it's - BYOMS - Bring Your Own
Monitoring System. I accept responsibility for this regression in
functionality, it was not driven by any other business goals. The amount
of effort it would have taken to unravel the code against the value the
charts provided, it didn't make sense. In addition, there are tons of
packages that do this better, any they may even use MRTG.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Tony Graziano <

Post by Tony Graziano
I think MRTG is a casualty. I'm not sure if it is being put back in or
not. With the "network queue" there are perhaps better and more consistent
methods to pull out statistics if I recall properly, but it has not been
discussed yet..
The current MRTG does not really provide enough useful information to be
of that much help (IMO), since it averages averages over time and dilutes
the data (kind of the problem with MRTG overall).
The majority of systems I have seen really provide a static look at
information that doesn't seem to change much. What would be helpful is
(IMO) registrations per hour, call per gateway, etc. and NOT in MRTG
fashion in that it dilutes the numbers over time.
This might be a good time to discuss it, and include the dev list too
for up to the minute updates on the mrtg inclusion (or not).
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Robert Schroeder <

Post by Robert Schroeder
I noticed in the 4.6.0 release that there seems to no longer be a
statistics page. Is that by new design or is the feature just not available
in the current beta builds?****
** **
Testing of 4.6.0 is going well for me. Thanks everyone for your hard
work on this release. It is appreciated very much.****
** **
Thanks,****
** **
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*Robert Schroeder*
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Member First Mortgage: NMLS ID# 149532
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[Matt White]

This is the direction we're headed... being able to get system (sipxecs / openuc) related stats for better monitoring.>
We're doing this so that users with any monitoring solution can monitor sipxecs/openuc in the same manner as all their other equipment.
As part of the openUC commercial solution we'll have our 'Assurance Services' that will be automagically configured by sipXconfig and provide monitoring capabilities. >On the open source side it will be left open for folks to 'roll their own'.
Mike

It was a nice diagnostic tool to get notified when a run away java process was maxing the CPU....or to look back and see how long the CPU has been maxed. Beyond that I've never used it much. Integration with other monitoring tools probably wont work for most smaller deployments but MRTG could still be installed along side with a different port.

-M

[Douglas Hubler]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Tony Graziano <

Post by Tony Graziano
Though it would be nice to see some way to collect proxy and registrar
stats either from snmp for inclusion at some point or as a separate
mechanism, since as a proxy and registrar THOSE stats are actually more
meaningful to an admin than disk and cpu since that is normally
unremarkable on this platform.

On that note, Michael, George and I were thinking if we made real time data
suitable for stats collectors available via SNMP, we'd integrate into more
monitoring systems. While it's true monitoring systems often have their
own custom agents, most of them support some sort of polling of data from
SNMP for graphing or triggering actions against. Being agnostic by using a
standard makes the most sense to sipxecs, assuming it's not too much extra
work.

[Robert Schroeder]

In the end I would like to be able to monitor the system. I do admit that in 4.4.0 the MRTG is not that useful with exception for alarms and high CPU threshold alerts.

With the current firewall rules in 4.6 and not having the option to have custom options within the 4.6.0 interface it seems more work than needed just to monitor with third party tools. It is nice that there are options available provided one can get past the firewall. (Smiles)

I like the Assurance Services model as that may be a viable option for those of us moving from sipXecs to openUC.

Thanks again everyone for the consideration and for being open to discussing the relevance,





Robert Schroeder
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Post by Robert Schroeder
In the end I would like to be able to monitor the system. I do admit that
in 4.4.0 the MRTG is not that useful with exception for alarms and high CPU
threshold alerts.****
** **
With the current firewall rules in 4.6 and not having the option to have
custom options within the 4.6.0 interface it seems more work than needed
just to monitor with third party tools. It is nice that there are options
available provided one can get past the firewall. (Smiles)

Well this can be easily done in 4.6, go in System > Firewall then click on
Groups tab. Configure there a new Custom Group (specify IP of monitoring
3rd party tool in Servers field), then in Rules tab choose newly created
server group for SNMP rule.

George

[Robert Schroeder]

George,

Thank you for the information. I will try that out.





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I found where to add custom groups however how do you add the custom service?





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Post by Robert Schroeder
I found where to add custom groups however how do you add the custom
service?****
**

That part is only for configuring firewall to accept remote connections
from a 3rd party tool, e.g. if you use the custom group for SNMP rule then
you could use a 3rd party tool to connect / monitor services via SNMP (the
IP of 3rd party tool should be specified as custom group server)

George

[Robert Schroeder]

Ok, thanks for the help.

It is very much appreciated.





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